by Fritjof Capra, i would highly recommend it. I think you

would enjoy and appreciate it.

I think the main point I was trying to convey in my initial questioning is to remain skeptical (mainly because words can only go so far, like you said).

Yes, remain skeptical but also be open-minded so you do not shut yourself from understanding other view points.

I would simply like you to admit that when you make a statement like “Our universe was created through spirituality and science”, that statement is based on your Faith (through experience, intuition, revelation, knowledge, etc.)

The reason why I included science as one of the systems that is used to create our universe is because there are strong evidences showing how science is incorporated into the art of creation. If you study sacred and fractal geometry, harmonic intervals and cycles, multidimensional physics, astrology and quantum mechanics, you will see how science plays an important role in how our universe was created. The fact that we can use mathematics to describe our universe tells us that it was built using logic and science. As for the spirituality aspect, it falls more into the realm of faith.

Below is two short video clips that should help explain what fractal and sacred geometry are.

When I refer to science, I’m referring to the universal science that is not filled with dogma. Now days, science has become more like a religion. If you try to challenge its paradigm, you are attack or make fun of. This deceive the purpose of science. If we want to understand why we are here and how our universe works, we will need to learn how to work with science and spirituality.

I was hoping you could elaborate more on what you mean by “returning back to source (God)”. Are you referring to nirvana? death? revelation?

What I mean is to return back to the One that created us. Some people like to call it God, Nirvana, Allah, Source, Creation, its all the same because it is everything and nothingness. My understanding is that we were once living in a state of pure consciousness. We used to be fused with God. In other words, we are gods but the separation caused us to lose our state of pure consciousness. As we spiritually evolve and gain excess to higher level of consciousness, we will gain more of our powers back and become more like God. Eventually, we will evolve enough to return back and become one with God. This is my belief and it is based more on faith than science.

Also, going back to this whole reality debate, is not most of the processed information in our brain simply the functioning of our body? For example, when you cut yourself, your nerves are sending millions of bits of information to the neurons in your brain to tell it to feel pain (part of that information is the conscious realization of the pain but most information is not related to conscious effort on the part of our body). Likewise, most of the involuntary processes of our body are not directly related to consciousness in any way, they simply occur as processes required to keep the body running, like a heartbeat.

In some ways, you are right. Consciousness is everywhere, even in the vacuum of space. It is an intelligent energy that governs everything in our Universe. The involuntary processes of our body are also govern by consciousness. My understanding of how feelings work is that the body acts like a medium which transmits electrical signals to the brain. The brain acts like a relay station between the mind. The one actually experiencing the emotion is the soul.

I think the main point I was trying to convey in my initial questioning is to remain skeptical (mainly because words can only go so far, like you said). I never admitted as to whether I believed or disbelieved in a Creator. My intuition tells me there must be a Creator, but to state that as scientific fact and to say that is my Faith are two entirely different things. I would simply like you to admit that when you make a statement like “Our universe was created through spirituality and science”, that statement is based on your Faith (through experience, intuition, revelation, knowledge, etc.), even if I agree with you. As human beings, we don’t yet understand how the universe was created and perhaps we never will in our lives (perhaps the Hadron collider will give us a clue, ).

It makes me weary when people try to convey their concepts as scientific facts. Metaphysics is in no way my specialty, so Im sure you could elaborate to a much higher degree the facets of it and the principles behind it. I am young and constantly seeking greater understanding of both people and the world around me. In my mind, metaphysics lies within the realm of human beings trying to explain the human condition and beyond. Im not so sure that we will ever be able to rely on science to “prove” anything about this realm of thought.

I think you have a great website here that poses some very interesting and fascinating questions. I also believe we agree in more ways than I had initially thought.

I was hoping you could elaborate more on what you mean by “returning back to source (God)”. Are you referring to nirvana? death? revelation?

Also, going back to this whole reality debate, is not most of the processed information in our brain simply the functioning of our body? For example, when you cut yourself, your nerves are sending millions of bits of information to the neurons in your brain to tell it to feel pain (part of that information is the conscious realization of the pain but most information is not related to conscious effort on the part of our body). Likewise, most of the involuntary processes of our body are not directly related to consciousness in any way, they simply occur as processes required to keep the body running, like a heartbeat.

I’d love to hear your thoughts.

Thanks,
Adrian

You have some good points.

These interpretations come from a tangible reality (Yes, i realize that from your view this tangible reality is a construct of the brain or a greater perception, but i simply cant see how it could’nt exist.) Why cant this reality simply be what my sense allow me to perceive through my body, spirit, and mind?

If we only look at reality through our five senses, it does exist and it is real from our perspective. This does not mean that there is not more to reality. Quantum physicists found out that our brains can process more than 400 billion bit of information per second. Out of those 400 billion bit of information, we are only consciously aware of about 2,000 of them. When we break it down to mathematical terms, our conscious awareness of the total reality is less than 1 percent. This means that most of reality is happening within our subconscious minds; therefore, we know very little about reality.

The main point Id also like to pose is that because we are human and our overall perceptions of the universe are somewhat shortsighted, how can anyone say with definitive conviction that a creator exist or that the purpose to life is this, that, or the other. Dont those answers fall into the realm of Faith rather than science or truth, simply based on the general fact that it cannot be proven?

To answer your questions above would take a whole book but I will do my best to simplify it. The answer to does a Creator exist or what is the purpose of life does fall into the realm of faith, but it also fall into the realm of science. Our universe was created through spirituality and science. Both of these realms are interconnected. The material part of the Universe is mostly based on science which is why we can use mathematical laws to describe it. The metaphysical part is mostly based on energy mechanics and pure cognition. To understand the reality beyond the material world using science is impossible. For example, science cannot “truly” explain what Creation (God) is. Although, if we understand the science behind it, it does help. It is only through experience, cognition and intuition that we will know what Creation is. To truly know what Creation is, we will need to become one with it. We cannot describe what Creation is through words alone because words have their limits.

So what are our purpose in life? Is there a God? Each of us have many purposes in life because we have free will, but we do have one main purpose in life which is to return back to Source (God). It is our destiny to return back to the One that created us. It does not matter how long it takes but eventually we will have to return back to Source.

I think this is why these questions of where we come from and why we’re here have been debated since the beginning of our self awareness, because you cant prove anything in that realm. Our perception doesnt allow us to comprehend that deep, its a matter of Faith.

Yes, your are right. Proving things beyond the material realm is very hard to do. One thing that can help is to look at the effects. For example, we cannot see or physically prove that gravity exist, but we know it does because we can see its effects.

The material world that we see and experience does exist but it is more of an illusion. The only thing that is real is energy because everything is manifested through this force. To understand physical reality, you will need to know the science behind it. When you break matter down to the fundamentals, it is made of only energy. This energy cannot be created or destroy but can only be transform from one form to another. One thing that modern science fail to teach us is that energy is conscious and is very intelligent. Our body and environment is made of matter; therefore, their main structure is energy. In essence, nothing is solid because it is energy. The reason why we perceive things as solid is because our body and consciousness encode the energy pattern around us as solid. It is at this moment that we are tricked into believing that our reality is solid.

I know a lot of the things I mentioned cannot be proven today so I do not expect you to believe everything I say. Maybe in a few hundred years someone will invent devices to test these theories. My advice is to learn how to use your intuition and feelings to help you discern my information. Your intuition and feelings are your secret weapons for helping you find truth. If you learn how to use them wisely, no one can lie to you.

My personal experience with Creation is that everything I learn in life tends to point toward a superior creator. Through the knowledge I gain from studying consciousness science, quantum mechanics, multidimensional physics and the language of consciousness, light, sound, pulsation and energy vibration, it becomes clear to me that Creation (God) exist. In other words, I can see and experience its effects. I personally think that people who do not believe in the Creator just lack knowledge or are very ignorant (meant it in the nicest way possible).

My difficulty in accepting this theory lies in the fact that my perceptions of reality, which are in essence the circuitry of my brain showing or informing me what reality is, are interpretations made by my senses. These interpretations come from a tangible reality (Yes, i realize that from your view this tangible reality is a construct of the brain or a greater perception, but i simply cant see how it could’nt exist.) Why cant this reality simply be what my sense allow me to perceive through my body, spirit, and mind? A worm does not have the same perception of reality that I do because its pinnacle of perception is much less than mine, yet it still perceives the world in some way and reacts to its external environment. I guess what Im trying to say is that I believe my consciousness is a product of billions of years of evolution on this planet, it is life seeking to understand the external world around itself and slowly being able to perceive more and more of what our reality actually consist of and how it works.

The main point Id also like to pose is that because we are human and our overall perceptions of the universe are somewhat shortsighted, how can anyone say with definitive conviction that a creator exist or that the purpose to life is this, that, or the other. Dont those answers fall into the realm of Faith rather than science or truth, simply based on the general fact that it cannot be proven? I think this is why these questions of where we come from and why we’re here have been debated since the beginning of our self awareness, because you cant prove anything in that realm. Our perception doesnt allow us to comprehend that deep, its a matter of Faith.

Thank You

About the book you mentioned, I have not read it but will have to check it out.

If you want to discuss more about these subjects you can email me. I do know a lot more but some of the things I know sound so strange that I don’t know if my readers are ready for them. This is why I’m spreading the information in bits and pieces.

Within the next few months I will be writing a book on spiritual enlightenment and sacred knowledge. In this book I will include many of the critical information that is beyond the realm of conventional thinking. This book should help wake people up who are interested in metaphysics.

Update: My book is now available at Amazon.com. It is called Staradigm: A Blueprint for Spiritual Growth, Happiness, Success and Well-Being.

The first book that really opened my eyes to everything this site encapsulates was “The Disappearance of the Universe” by Gary Renard, and if you haven’t read it, I highly recommend checking it out.

What he speaks about is more in keeping with a course in miracles, and the fact the our reality is a result of a sort of a ‘sickness of the mind’ and caused by a perceived separation from the creator (whether that is God, Allah or anything you believe as representation of God)

Whether you choose to read the book, or if you already have, I just want to say I really enjoy the site and am happy to have come across it.

You have found a way to explain a profound concept in relateable terms, which is key to opening people’s minds to something which is hard to understand.

You’ll have to forgive me if I’m not clear in what I’m saying. We were drinking during our debate and I’m sure they’re laughing now reading this as I emailed them all the links, lol

In summary, thank you so much for responding as i wasn’t expecting it and thank you for creating such a valuable resource, it’s a gift to be able to explain things so succently as people are naturally inclined to reject such ‘reality’ shattering ideas

Would love to discuss further if you’re interested, as this is a topic I’m extremely interested in. It’s the key to understanding ones own life/purpose, so how could I not be

Best, B

The human soul is a fragment of the One Infinite Creator (God, Allah, etc.). Therefore, it has pure potentiality (infinite possibility and creativity) just like the One Infinite Creator. Like what you said, “we are components of a greater consciousness.”

It is important to know that at our current level of evolution, at the conscious level, our brain and mind have no way of understanding the totality of reality. Our limited brain and mind can’t yet fathom the power of infinity.

To define what the Creator truly is is meaningless at our current level of evolution. This does not mean we should not try. The Creator is infinite, everything, nothingness and pure potentiality. The Creator exist and at the same time doesn’t exist. It ends in mystery and begins in mystery; therefore, there is no beginning and end. Just thinking about this already boggles the finite human brain.

To have a basic understanding of what the Creator is you need to understand who you truly are, which is a spiritual being. My understanding is that we were brought down from a state of pure consciousness. Through experiences and many incarnations, we slowly remember who we are. The trick is to search within you and not out there because the Creator exist within you.

Allah….Jesus….*rolls eyes*